Are BullPups Worth it?

Something i don't see anyone mention is how much further forward the grip is compared to ar-15's. It adds a weird dynamic that actually makes the gun feel longer even though it's shorter OAL, because your arm isn't able to "chicken wing". I love bullpups, but just my hands on experience. Not impossible to learn (and shorter mags help), just takes a little more getting used to then the online gurus would lead you to believe.

Haha yes very questionable 2:31

They're definitely superior to conventional rifles because of their longer barrel which is everything in a gun. But they come with their annoying drawbacks which makes them kinda unnecessary, mainly bad triggers and the ejection port being right next to ur face, which is a problem if you're planning to use it right handed and left handed. Some bullpups solved both these issues though, like the MDRx forward ejection model and Kel Tec RDB.

All bullpup rifles made me feel good.

Desert Tech is the most accurate??? Not my experience. Hellion – x95 – DT – Aug in order of accuracy.

Nah but the Aug is the best

No.
Next topic.

What a joke. Eotech doesn’t even give the name of the gun they are discussing. Sad and pathetic.

Just eagerly waiting for True Velocity or Black Rain to drop the new era of bullpups 😊

Nope

I would agree X95 is the best of the bunch and VHS-2 takes the 2nd place. X95 is just super reliable and easy to use, the SBR (which is the true config) version is very efficient with the barrel to OAL ratio, 13" : 22", can't beat that. Just need to run a low backpressure can for most of them to have the best experience.

AUG is antiqued overall, VHS-2's trigger and manual of arms are not great for a modern design(accurate and good suppressor host tho). DT is lacking in design and quality, I had problems with it and I won't trust it… Don't believe me? Just look at how many names that rifle has already gone through.

Once I gave bullpups a chance I never really looked back. I truly believe once the perceived flaws are ironed out which has been happening and more people get time behind them what early adopters realized will become evident.

What is that?

As far as major firearms development this is possibly the last big jump we will ever see as far as advancement before energy weapons.

Sure you can come up with spicy new powders for ammo and even better bullet design but you cannot get around the fact that you must have a certain length barrel to have an appropriate velocity. That starts changing drastically when you get below 14.5.

I am not a fan of sacrificing lethality because of being unwilling to train or try something new.

There's a reason almost every new rifle you see is an AR and that is because the AR is the pinnacle of traditional rifle design. Full stop, the end.

What comes next after that? Bullpups because traditional rifle design will always be limited by its packaging.

What VFG was on the last one?😊

I have a lot of experience with bullpups and the manual of arms difference is way overblown. You can get it down in a single range session.
Similarly the triggers don’t have to be bad, it’s just the progressive AUG trigger that’s also made of plastic that started the rumor.
There is no significant gas difference (especially since you get a longer gas system for the same OAL.)
Swapping shoulders does not leave brass hitting you in the face and is not something 90% will ever do.

Croatia not Czech Republic for the VHS

I love my Tavor 7 7.62×51 NATO. Yes manual of arms takes a LOT of practice to become fluid with the motions, but once you do it becomes so second nature and DOES NOT interfere with your manual of arms for ARs. Non suppressed the recoil is typical of a .308 round, not too bad. With the suppressor recoil is very very light, with the right gas adjustment. Trigger on my Tavor 7 is about 7lbs and very crisp with a very noticeable wall and nice reset. Accuracy is outstanding, I have had an average of ~2 MOA at 100 yds. My Tavor has a picitinny rail across the top and I have a nice LPVO optic on it. There are also M-lOK mounts on the side and bottom of the fore grip that appear to standard, because that's how I bought it, Ha! Anyway, my only challenge, is with the weight, it's fairly heavy at ~ 8lbs without fully loaded 20 round mags, BUT that said, my AR 10 was similar in weight but bulkier because of the length. My Tavor non suppressed is only 26 inches, with my Surefire Titanium Suppressor it's 32 inches, perfect for my home defense.