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NO SILENCERS for Home Defense

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Cans / suppressors / silencers are cool and have a bunch of great applications ranging from clandestine military operations, to recreational shooting for hearing protection. Though I love suppressors, I do not advocate using them for home defense. When I released a video on the best gun for home defense awhile back, I mentioned this in passing, and many people adamantly disagreed and cited that I would damage my hearing and i wouldn’t be able to communicate with my family. In this video, I tackle these objections (which are pretty fair IMO), and talk through some other considerations that I believe are even more important.

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  1. It is unbelievable folks are having such a tough time with this. My spooky quiet .300 blackout won’t let folks outside the house know I’m holding a party inside and they are not invited. Unsuppressed means everyone knows loud and clear that this is a house of death. The effects of loud guns are much scarier than little thwacks of a .300 blackout. Those that do not give weight to these real psychological effects, have thought far too much about gear and shooting, and far to little about tactics. Tactics: gaining an advantage over an adversary in the areas of timing, positioning, and psychology.

  2. I understand. Especially with the thunderous alerting of neighbors. But suppressors will still most certainly alert next door if you live in the city, it still may cause hearing damage as well, but it won’t burst eardrums.

    So yes. Supressor indoors. I will not damage my hearing, my families hearing, and disorient myself along with the attacker just to have a “dragon in my living room. You know what else is psychologically and visually disabling for an attacker in a dark room? 1700 lumen strobe, and being hit with a 62 grain hollow point at 2300 fps. 🤷‍♂️

  3. In other words, plan on missing and disorienting yourself for engaging the perps buddies…. Phuggin stupid. Horrible comparison between a team room clearing and a middle of the night break in with the family.

  4. I have a short barrelled rifle for home defense. It has a suppressor on it. You are objectively wrong in a number of ways. First off, you have found work arounds for communicating with family while deafened, follow up shots while having spots in your vision from the muzzle flash, both of which could be avoided entirely if you put a can on there. Why develop a workaround for a solvable problem?

    Secondly. Somebody has broken into your home. Broken the sanctity of the place you live. Committed and act that nearly every court in every state in the US will find you not guilty in the event that you kill them. Why do you need psychological advantage, when you're shooting at them? Do you think the muzzle flash and sound of your gun is going to have a greater psychological impact than the bullets? Is the ball of fire and sound somehow going to be more persuasive than the literal bullets ripping through them? Do you think their buddies somehow upon hearing their friend scream in agony after being shot multiple times, are going to run in to find out what happened, or do you think they're going to turn tail and fucking run because they don't want to be in the same boat as their friend?

    Just because you've been in firefights inside of a building with no earpro and an AR, doesn't mean everyone else in your family has. Do you think your children are going to be thrilled waking up at 3:00 in the morning to an active shootout in their living room? Do you not think that your children are going to be traumatized waking up to The sounds of gunfire inside their own home? You might be aware of where the gunfire is, and which way the bullets are going, but they fucking aren't. They're going to wake up, in their beds, to the sounds of gunfire in their home. That would be traumatizing to anybody.

    This is an absolutely asinine argument. This is like carrying a 22 for self-defense because it holds the most ammo, without realizing that less ammo doesn't mean less stopping ability. A suppressor only enhances your ability to win a firefight. People getting shot don't give a fuck how it happened, or where the bullets are coming from. On top of that, suppressors don't completely silence a firearm. There will still be plenty of noise to get the gist to anyone entering your home illegally, that you are shooting at them.

  5. 5 years later and it’s still a stupid idea. Just cause you served doesn’t mean you’re right. Thank you for your service but at the same time I can’t fathom taking this advice.

  6. Just curious If you have changed your mind after 5 years…. First time viewer, and I believe your logic is extremely flawed. Let me also state, as a Disabled Vets – Hearing Loss, you cannot understand the daily life. To worsen it, by not using a Suppressors, is just plain dumb. 2nd, when guns go off in a home, people come out looking. That makes your family members a target. There is a Reason, the Corps, is putting a Suppressor on EVERY Rifleman. Communication is key to Victory in the battlefield. No communication when you are DEAF.

  7. Three years later I’m watching this thinking it is the dumbest reason I’ve ever heard… “I want to release psychological hell”…. Well, Mr Psychological Warfare, I prefer to release physiological hell, and I want to hear later…. For years, my s home self defense weapon sat beside a pair of noise canceling Walker ear protectors, but now it sports a very quiet can. I hope I never have to use it, but practice twice a week in case I do. Plus, I love to shoot, reload, and compete. God help the idiot that endangers my family.

  8. I certainly would not say you’re an idiot because everyone has their own reasons for everything. I would say however that for reason #2 you can accomplish the same thing with an alarm system. If someone breaks into my house the whole neighborhood and the police will know. Aside from potential permanent damage I don’t think it is wise to diminish any of your senses when an extreme adrenaline issue occurs. Your vision could potentially fool you and flame throwing 556 in the dark could blind you. In my humble opinion I don’t feel the benefits of the items you listed outweigh the advantages of not damaging your ears and not losing your hearing sense during a critical high stress moment. Very thought provoking video. Great work.

  9. Well obviously, I am WAY late to the game on this discussion but, I just found the video so here goes… I am purchasing an Extar EP9 as a HDW. It has a flash hider already installed. I am thinking of replacing it with a linear compensator (Kaw Valley). This should lessen the noise for me and actually compound it for the unlucky perp who decided my house looked like an easy mark. Should still alert the neighbors that something is going down. Thanks for all of your videos. I am trying to catch up…

  10. I'm not going to flame spray you for your opinion, but I do disagree for my situation. The reason I disagree is that "most" people do not have a military background (I had 21 years in when I retired) so you're starting with a definite advantage over the average home invasion crew vs home owner. My primary reason for having cans on both my and my wife's home handguns is to be able to hear what the home invaders left over after after shooting the first one are doing. Are they retreating or continuing to engage? Where are they in the house, where are they proceeding to? Both of our SBR's (for defense out on the acreage) have cans on them also, for the same reasons. If you really want to get THE BEST "psychological disabling" equipment, keep a chainsaw bedside😁.

  11. 07:04 Lol nowadays people are so retarded they won't know wtf you're saying there. I know you're simply talking about sponsorships, but most young people will think you're just an uppity prick lol whether you have a military background or not. Thank you for your service btw

  12. You didn't hit the legal aspect, which some of the youtube gun lawyers would say, which is basically it looks bad in court. Prosecution attorneys (as we saw with Kyle Rittenhouse) can and will make ANYTHING look bad.

  13. Personal opinion, from all my years of dayz and tarkov I will say I’m wayyy more afraid of the suppressed shots. Just knowing someone has one you know it’s on a decent gun. If I heard loud shots ima think some hooligan with an arp is blind firing.

  14. Curious if you still feel this way 5 years later. I look at security like the layers of an onion. I got two different types of outdoor cameras that send alerts to my phone, indoor cameras paired with a stupid loud alarm system and two dogs god forbid that doesn't keep dummies aways well then cowabunga it is and I'm just not sure if it'll matter if I'm running a can or not at that point.

  15. You don't want your neighbors hearing gun shots and calling the cops. "He's killing his family" is what the cops will be told or hear. You want to be the one calling cops to come pick up the bodies and control what the cops are told.

  16. You are completely and totally wrong on this one. A suppressor on a home-defense weapon is the way to go. Listen, you assume a bad guy is not under the influence of narcotics and/or drugs and knows what the threat is without a suppressor. Again, wrong. I have heard this a million times: "Racking a shotgun will scare any criminal away." Your thoughts are similar to this false premise. Terrible bad information you are peddling with this video.

  17. I tell you John, I have shot guns, and used equipment without hearing protection but you won't change minds on this. People are way too soft these days and most won't think they can do it. Your right though it has happened to me in a very small room full power and several rounds were released. I sustained temporary damage but fortunately it wasn't as bad as I thought and after a recent hearing test no permanent damage was discovered. I want to state I use hearing protection and it is important but I think some are more sensitive than others as well. I will just add don't make it a bog deal if you don't have it it is fine just survive the fight!

  18. Hi John, like your thought process on this as a potential tactic. However, I would be worried about blowing out my ears. Do you think there is a happy median between being relatively hearing safe but still loud enough to be a deterrent? I have a gucci'ed out shockwave I run with minishells to avoid wall penetration and a suppressed HKsp5. My shockwave would be for wife hunkered down in safe location. I have a defensive position, easy to clear location to get into where 80% of the first floor is visible from my elevated position, thought process is if Im defending from elevated position less chance due to aim angle a stray bullet penetrates a wall and goes into neighbors house. I would of course, want to avoid and evade as first line of defense, but that is difficult for home invasion scenario.

  19. The fire breathing dragon thing is a not a sound reason for not using your suppressor for home defense. If you don’t have a suppressor then you are using the fire breathing dragon in your home.

    If you hit someone with your gun inside your living room they are dead. If you miss them you suck and were not prepared. There is no running, psychological damage doesn’t matter when they are dead. I am not interested in waking up my neighbor. The other guy likely doesn’t have a suppressor, so he is welcome to wake up the neighbors.

    What firing an AR15 does in your home is actually disorient yourself. No one and I mean no one trains without ear protection which means you ARE NOT prepared as a homeowner to shoot a rifle without ear protection. Especially in your home. It will be shocking to most people. The psychological damage is what sets in after you realize you just killed somebody and made yourself def in the process.

    The suppressor simulates roughly the sound when shooting with ears on at the range. In a home defense situation it’s critical you hear what is going on in the home after you shoot. Is the guy dead yet? Is he still moving around the house? Is he saying Johnny it’s Dad stop shooting? Etc.

    To each their own but there will be silencers on my home defense AR SBRs, and 9mm pistols.

    All that said, I am picking up my 12 gauge first, which of course is not suppressed, but I am using short shell buckshot. And my 9mm will be on me as well.

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