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Modern body armor easily stops 5.56, and it doesn’t have the sheer power to cause blunt force damage either. 7.62 will be effective even if you hit level 4 armor, if it doesn’t penetrate, it will break your ribs and probably cause internal bleeding. Not to mention that you can get 25 round mags for 7.62 that aren’t cumbersome, although the 20 rds are better for distance shooting and going prone. If you can’t handle the recoil or weight of a rifle larger than a .22…..you need to hit the gym more and/or train more. End of discussion.
"In Vietnam my uncle had an M-16 made by Mattell. It jammed so much his whole squad threw them down and picked up the VC's ak47s"
7.62 is a man killer for sure.
Psychopaths
Indians hated the 5.56 for decades and are transitioning back to 7.62. Always the issue in the mountains, that's why they are getting some 150k 308 rifles for mountains and counter insurgency. Even standards rifle is going to be ak rounds
If soldiers could hit their targets 7.62 wins every time. But that's not how soldiers work. In the heat of battle there's plenty of spray and pray and non-lethal hits, that's why quantity wins out over quality- it's the logistics. Also in most modern conflicts (most not all) fighting is done from 300 yards in so you don't need 1000+ yard ammunition.
As a chicken tender and coyote hunter I live and die by the 556/ 223. I get what he is saying through. Some of the distances we were shooting at in Afghanistan with 556 were laughable…..308 really was not any better though the .50 was goat. I would just say taylor your gun to your envionment. East coasties like me 223 is good for alot of things, out west go full size.
If… or when the world goes to shit and gunfights are breaking out in the street at a capacity that everyone's home armoires won't be mostly a waste of money. The caliber of round you carry will mean very little in terms of this round vs. that round. The things that will matter most will be likelihood, opportunity, and the mental fortitude to adapt to changing situations. A fortress is useless if you don't lock your doors.
Knights SR25
I have both. It depends on the situation.
Just getting in a gun fight will scare the shit out of most people! A 5.56 or a 50 cal don't matter focus on good hits and move !
Shoot one 308…..or shoot 7 7.62….easy choice for me
6.8spc. Carry the same ammo as 22 3 but more range and stopping power.
The callousness these guys display as they brag in morbid detail how the people they shot died makes me think they are very likely, at the least, sociopaths.
I would take a 22. I can shoot it well and know it kills.
They chose less lethal round on purpose of putting more people out of combat. When one killed, it's one out of combat; when one wounded, it's 2 or 3 out of combat, because comrades will most likely help the wounded.
jesus the audio on this is SO bad.
This really depends on the engagement and the discipline. Asking soldiers is… not unimportant, but not the main focus for sure. US is deploying abroad where logistics matters a lot, and engaging at short distances typically, 100 yards is the usual. The doctrine is to maneuver and suppress. You need a lot of rounds that will not hit people for that. The forces the US faces are emplaced, defending and with knowledge of home turf. They make use of short logistics lines and can set engagements up to be long distance. They are just different tools for different jobs. There will always be a case where you have the wrong tool for the job, and it sucks people die for it, but that's the nature of war.
If size matter just rock with a 12g slug
Interesting comment one of the commenter said he used 800 rounds, but then the guy that would not die, took about ten rounds to but him down, two may of did the job.
That's why I carry a .460 magnum. You aren't getting up from that hahaha
What’s the difference between 5.56 and 7.62? One’s gonna shoot the shit out of you, and one’s gonna shoot the fuck outta you.
I did some live fire training with a bunch of guys. We ran the same course with a 5.56 and then a 308. Almost everyone had better hit percentage with the 308. I think it's a subconscious thing where you know you have fewer rounds so each shot has to count. People take a little better aim that way. With the little 5.56 people were rushing the shots and missing.
With 5.56 NATO you can score hits at a good range. Provided you're a very good shot. However, the performance isn't going to be reliable because – saying it once again – it's a 300 yard cartridge fired from a 300 yard rifle. The more you go beyond that the less effective the platform and cartridge become.
infinite ammo that I don't have to carry? 7.62. If I have to carry the ammo? 5.56
This is NOT rocket science. Stop talking about caliber and start talking about velocity and terminal ballistics. What separates a rifle from a handgun is velocity. A handgun wounds primarily by crushing flesh in the permanant wound canal. A rifle is orders of magnitude worse, because of its velocity (2500fps+) it EXPLODES flesh around the permanant wound canal. It redefines handgun wounding into a SPLAT reality. Here, we are discussing what's best. Gentlemen, what is best is NEVER falling below the splat velocity. If you shorten your barrel and engage an enemy at distance, you may have just transformed your .223/556 into a .22LR. There are idiots out there sporting AR platform barrels that get as short as 4.5 to 5.5 inches. You might as well pick up an MP5 because that nerfs your rifle down to handgun velocities. What is best? What length is your barrel? What distance are you targeting? What ammo are you using? It's that simple.
all of your problems would be solved if your Infantry Squads carried a M240 instead of a M249
NATO made the mistake of thinking that our enemies would think the same way as us, that they would stop fighting to care for their injured. So they gave our warriors a mouse gun.
To carry more ammo is the only real advantage…..and that does matter.
The way you guys talk about killing people is so twisted.. "I never got to blast anyone with it" aww poor baby, didn't get to kill another human being with your fancy gun? Bless him.
No cover, 5.56 all day every day. When there is trees, clay walls, doors, and cars. 7.62, accept no substitute.
What is the range of the engagement, how long is the expected engagement, 5.56 and 7.62 will kill a person pretty good. You might have to take into account vehicle armour differences though a technical is cooked. The lighter 5.56 has closer range advantages because it is lighter and better auto stability and hipfire.
knife or fists are way worse than any of those in gunfight
Hahahahha I still have one of those bushmasters
This is american asf
Stop glorifying killers who did a lot of immoral things
higher caliber hits harder but in a war the ammount of bullets u can use to gain advantage is more important. A 7.62 rifle can not carry as many shots in a magasine and also, carrying ammo, u can carry much more if its lower caliber. U can keep an enemy down by covering fire better with more ammo, the idea is not to hit most but to be able to outmanouver enemy and force them to surrender.
In WW2 they went with 30-06 because they wanted a round that would penetrate an 8 inch pine tree at 100 yards and still have lethality.
Well, i just have a cheap Savage .308 rifle .. but after shooting a few frozen milk jugs of water at 200 yards, and seeing that carnage of explosions, i can tell you now, i damn sure wouldn't want to get shot by one. Ever.
My weapon of choice is Serbian made ZASTAVA M-70 FULL AUTOMATIC 7,62X39 with granade launcher.You cant destroy this weapon even if you miss manage the weapon and do not clean it.Never jams.I lay my life on functionality of this rifle.
Terrorist’s openly bragging about Terrorism.
556 more accuracy. Less stopping power. 762 more stopping power. Less accurate.
I prefer 7.62×39.
Get Federal if you need Great FMJ.
Get Nosler Ballistic Tip if you need a proper defense load.
Which one hurts more ??? 😂