
A side by side comparison of the eotech exps 3-4 with g45 magnifier, trijicon acog TA31F-G, Vortex Razor HD Gen 3 1-10 with mil reticle and the Elcan SU-230. We run each optic through various shooting scenarios as we evaluate which one of these optics is the best fit for a fighting AR-15. I use my daniel defense mk18 upper equipped with surefire FA556-212 suppressor to evaluate each optic. Optics are tested in a 7 yd rapid fire string, 100 yd groups, 100 to 50 yd barricade and movement, 200 yd barricade and 300 practical accuracy.
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00:00 Intro
01:02 MK18 & ammo overview
02:33 Target & course of fire overview
03:36 Eotech overview
04:27 Acog overview
04:54 Elcan overview
05:39 Vortex Razor 1-10 overview
06:48 Eotech 100 yd group
07:24 Vortex 100 yd group
07:46 Acog 100 yd group
08:08 Elcan 100 yd group
08:36 Eotech 7 yds
09:05 Vortex 7 yds
09:29 Acog 7 yds
09:46 Elcan 7 yds
10:11 Eotech 100 & 50 yds
11:04 Vortex 100 & 50 yds
11:43 Acog 100 & 50 yds
12:19 Elcan 100 & 50 yds
12:58 Eotech 200 yds
14:55 Vortex 200 yds
15:50 Acog 200 yds
16:51 Elcan 200 yds
17:51 Eotech 300 yds
18:57 Vortex 300 yds
19:41 Acog 300 yds
20:28 Elcan 300 yds
21:25 Closing comments
21:51 Choosing a winner
25:36 Call to action

i really like seeing the honest/real world grouping of that rifle
As always, great video
I get hits on steel at 300 yards. I practice looking at various objects out to distance when out and about daily and envision getting in target.
Well put together video. My middle name is budget, so I like my Sparc II red dot, for the house gun. A Cabelas 1-4 LPVO for another and a Vortex 1-6 for My 18" hunting gun. Thanks for the good content…
I have an elcan on a bcm 11.5 that I have had for 4 years now. Used an elcan+mk18 and ever since it's my go to all around optic. Seen them go through hell and still work. The only down side are the old arms levers. I reccomend if you have one to put the mk2s on them.
It’s impressive what the 10.5 can pull off and even more so with the 11.5 or 12” barrel as a “fighting” carbine size. 12” is probably the best tho
Love your content brother, keep these videos coming
Forget the optics rifle accuracy is garbage
7 yards with a rifle?
So, did you place in the mullet contest?
I've run everything, but the Elcan extensively. Taken all three into combat. I personally prefer the Razor Gen III above the ACOG and Eotech (I did not have a 5x magnifier on my M4)
I ended up putting the Razor with Badger mount on my EBR as a DMR. The optic is wonderful in that capacity as he mentioned. I now have it on my 14.5 with a DPP 6MOA @ 45⁰. Yes it's on the heavy side but I'm somewhat of a larger guy so the extra weight is negligible. I absolutely love the set up. It's also far lighter than the EBR so again, I'm not concerned. Where I live I'll be engaging anywhere from 0 to 500 meters and this setup can run the full gambit.
Great content as always, Zach.
Elcan knows it's daddy.
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Another nice one
Its funny seeing guys running those giant LPVO's, but probably having them set on 1x and never shooting past 100 yards. Just buy a red dot.
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Very nice concept and i uunderstand the topic with the fighting rifle concept. But in todays world you can buy a good AR ( Knights, LMT, Geissele, etc) and matchgrade ammo (as an example MK262). With this combo your 11.5 Ar15 can shoot MOA groups up to 550 Meters before your bullet drops in the transsonic zone. If you have such an set up you would feel the limitations from the Eotech at greater distance.
Of course nobody shoots all the time 77 grainers, but if somebody is investing thousands of dollars in this hobby it would made sense to invest in good ammo too. Good ammo is really a game changer and maks your rifle much more effective. Bettermax range, better accuracy, less wind deflection, much more energy in the target, because the projectile has more energy and it transfers the energy better as it is an OTM. If you are interessted in ammo check the video from smal arms solution about the topic mk262.
Really good comparison, I've been wanting a elcan ever since seeing it on all the rangers block 2's and mk18's, they're just expensive. I got a 11.5 BCM rifle and a palmetto AK. I feel like putting a primary arms 1-6 on the AK and keep it a cheap hunting/battle rifle. Then I could put a elcan on the 11.5, or buy a FSP block 2 upper for the elcan and have the eotech that's on the 11.5 as a spare optic. I just like having a etched reticle instead of relying on batteries or irons for a fighting rifle.
Man good video sir.
Great video. Subbed.
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Your content is solid bro
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Once again, very good content
I just couldn't deal with the 1-10's tight eye relief so I sprung for an ATACR 1-8. Mind you I paid 2300 for it instead of the usual 2800. The Vortex's ability to just disappear in your field of view is really unparalleled. That said, the tight eyebox on that optic is just, well, tight. Exit pupil makes it worthless at high mag when it's not a clear bright day but you can always dial back to a lower one.
The 1-10 I would say is exclusively for a DMR type rifle. The ATACR is much more forgiving, but it takes up a lot in your field of view and has a tight FOV itself. You don't miss it too much with both eyes open but it's there. That said, the more forgiving eyebox is very much noticed. Exit pupil is simple math, same constraints as the 1-10 at equal mags. I'd say the ATACR can live on an AR, but is still happiest on a DMR type rifle. Following the 1x per 100 yards rule, 1-6 is fine for an AR-15. 8 can't hurt though (usually).
I'll have to use the ATACR more, and mess with the diopter some more for an ideal image, as obviously with LPVOs it's all a compromises.
Just some barely related thoughts on the optic in the video and its competitor. Obviously you CAN run the 1-10 more than fine, as seen in this video (and my experience) but your margin for error in head placement is much, much higher on a 1-8, 1-6, and 1-4 (in ascending order).
never much messed with red dot and mag but I can see it as a great way to get a little longer range capability on a close-in focused rifle. Elcan is an elcan. Ancient, but in 1000 years they'll still work.
ACOG with an RMR is a weird one. I use one now. Takes getting used to, that's for damn sure.