Can the ATF regulate AR15 UPPERS? – Receiver definition change

I feel like people just sometimes like to run around yelling “the sky is falling!!”Uppers are not going to be “receivers”. The AR-15 is an already established design and the lower is the “frame”… If somebody came up with a substantially new design that was submitted to the AFT for approval THEN they would evaluate it and decide which part is the “frame” or “receiver” for the purposes of the regulations as it is applied to FFL and transfers. This does exactly zero for a home made firearm, or even the transfer of a home made firearm unless it is to a licensed FFL holder. As I read it, this wouldn’t even affect you dropping a home made weapon of to an FFL for work as that is not considers a “transfer”, of “possession” under the law. 🥴🤦🧐 Look I hate the BS we have to go through as much as the next, but people are acting like this applies to individuals and it doesn’t. The AFT has zero authority over your privately legally possessed firearms!! Stop giving them more power than they have.

The ATF is pissing into the wind. An upper is more difficult make at home but it just means that home builders will just acquire new skills.

any follow ups on this? The 115pg doc is quite long, but most seem to read the legal wording means any requisite part of the firing function could be regulated.

Don’t start your video with “you should panic” that’s what sheep do.

I have a 3d printer the current materials on the market for them wouldn't make a safe 5.56 lower. Unless you want to eat the buffer tube. That neck portion is WAY too thin.

Why do I have a feeling the ammo is going to be considered a firearm? Think about it for a sec

So how many firearms does it now take to make a functioning firearm? And are we counting the full-auto shoelaces?

Bring out the 81% receivers

If the ATF just takes "firing mechanism" to mean the firing pin (which would be well within their regulatory authority to interpret the legislation as they chose to even if it contradicts the statute as per Cabais v. Egger), then they can get the upper to meet the two requirements of the Gun Control Act to be considered "the firearm": 1) that it house the hammer, bolt or breechblock (it houses the bolt and breechblock); and, 2) that it house the firing mechanism (i.e the firing pin which is within the bolt). The ATF can move to regulation of uppers instead of lowers. In fact, it's probably what they should have done all along to properly comply with the language of the GCA. BUT they would be opening a huge can of worms for themselves. Deregulating lowers would mean that full auto lowers are no longer NFA items. They could regulate full auto AR-15s by classing full auto BCGs as NFA items, but then they'd probably have to grandfather in millions of full auto BCGs in circulation, backlogging themselves in paperwork for a decade or two. The ATF is in a bind that only new legislation will fix.

The ATF are not elected by the people so they really have zero power, except in their own mind.

Once 3d printers get to the point you can spend like 1-3 grand and get some decent metal performance, gun control is going to become null.

Remember Dementia Biden has now named it the AFT

"You are free to do as we tell you" ─ Adam Freeland – We Want Your Soul

This country is overrun with communist in all alphabet agencies. All are outrite committing Treason.

definition change: NOW U ARE THE FIRARM… I HOPE U ALL HAVE YOUR REGISTRATIONS READY

So…buy more 😂

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Where can you find 3D printer files for lowers?

The problem I have with ATF rules changes is the fact the rulings can change retro actively like on Bump Stocks. Companies got a ruling on whether an item was "Legal" and 6 months later they say we changed our mind now they are ILLEGAL. Once something is approved by the ATF that should set a precedent at least for the items manufactured up to that point. People spent hundreds of dollars for Bump Stocks that came with a letter from ATF saying it was legal only to be told you now you must destroy your Bumpstock or go to Jail for 10 years. NO compensation. Europe considers the barrel the controlled registered part of a weapon. You could buy M-14 receivers or M1 Carbine receivers at gunshows no problem no paperwork.

I have a question for anyone in California . I’m in ca and looking to get my first AR-15 and I’m leaning towards building my own. Would I be able to just buy a complete lower online and have them ship it to my local gun shop? If that’s the case I am just wondering if i would have to do anything else after the build.

Good stuff

They can only regulate what we peacefully allow them to

All they need to do is change a couple "and" words to "or" words in that definition and then they'll be serializing both halves of the receiver. The issue here is since there are several million uppers in circulation, how will they know the difference between an unserialized upper and a grandfathered upper? This seems unenforceable.

Your the shit man!

I just got my ar lower now this

In my opinion, lowers shoudnt be considered as a firearm because you can still use upper as a single shot. In Europe only regulated parts for instance on AK are bolt, barrel and front trunnion without these gun cannot fire.

I’m a leftist and I was ready to join a few malicious in the fight against Donald Trump if he got a second presidency and/or stolen it. Which obvious now we all know he tried to do. But I’m In the area on the left that is very pro second amendment and this is at least one area were conservatives for lack of a better term and left us can agree on.

I’m surprised they aren’t moving it to the barrel in the wake of 3D printing and desktop cnc

Won't comply ,fuck a gun law

They can try to ban whatever they want. I'll make 80% shotguns out of plywood, elmer's glue and lead pipes. Then I'll give them away to people, purely as an act of defiance. 🤣🤣 🖕 These traitors and their bold sense/illusion of power over Free Americans. The Brits tried it once. They tried to take our guns and we shot at them for 8 years straight. Now we have more people, more and better guns and far dumber overlords. Half of the other team doesn't even know which bathroom to use.

I like to think that the record breaking firearm sales that Free Americans have been producing, is speaking volumes to the ATF and Fed. At the end of the day, I doubt they're coming for what we have. I do think that future purchases will become extremely difficult. Registration, multiple background checks, mental health evaluation, firearm insurance and a licence to own and then similar hoops to jump through with ammo purchases.

Good thing the ATF or any government agency can't make laws, only regulations. Fuck regulations 🖕

I think by the current definition, 90% of firearms wouldn't be coveree

I won't be complying regardless. Fuck em

So what if we got parts kits now and lowers/frames later?

i have seen drugs destroy peoples lives, but nothing is as destructive to peoples lives as the gov can be if allowed .

i marinate my meat so its soft and tender , gov does the same to civilians . you see taking our guns that are actualy useful in defence is sort of softing us so we just melt in there mouth, easy to chew you see. back in in your pin good little sheep .

Im here because im desperate lookin for a stripped upper receiver for my 2nd build ive been to 24 dif sites and their ALL out ouf stock😤😑

There are millions upon millions of AR uppers that do not have serial numbers already on the market. Exactly what is that going to do to stop someone from printing out a lower receiver and throwing one of them uppers on there?

Do they really believe that people are just going to volunteer to have serial numbers etched into their uppers, and register them with the government?

It's almost like the government lives in a Fantasyland.

Wouldn't this mean you only have a firearm once the upper and lower are together?

ATF has less than 2,000 agents. Over half of those are big ghey bois. Most of them are sexually aroused by watching dogs die.

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Don't panic. They can't regulate what they don't know about.

I'm watching this today and was hoping it was an april fool's joke