Two excellent 1-8x optics go head to head. The NightForce ATACR is a 34mm tube with a Christmas Tree style reticle. The EO Tech Vudu uses a more simplistic reticle with a 30mm tube/
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You guys mentioned the red dot magnifier was frustratingly faster. However, I didn’t hear you speak to adding a red dot offset (35-45 degrees) to an LPVO which from what I’ve read is just as fast as the red dot magnifier BUT superior when transitioning between magnification (among other scenarios) given you can keep cheek weld. Any thoughts there would be appreciated.
The ATACR reticle literally gave me a seizure
The conclusion to this cracks me up. Ever since I first got time behind LPVO's and then spent boat loads of money slapping them on some of my guns, I've pretty much felt nothing but frustration. This mostly stems from being much better with a red dot and magnifier. Its more comfortable, I make the same hits, it seems much faster, and inside of 200 yards on full size silhouettes/man sized targets I don't even typically want magnification. 3x can get me by to about 500 yards on the same targets. Granted I like 1x per 100 yards in a long range gun. I also feel that I don't use anything but min and max power on an LPVO. Mostly because on SFP the reticle is only useful to me on those powers. Going from min to max with a red dot and magnifier is faster and more of a simple motion. Especially when you consider that some power rings cough Vortex cough are so damn tight. Not to mention that magnifier can come off the got and save some ounces. Not that the weight is in a place on the gun where you really feel it, but you can remove it and only put it on when you need it or use it as a monocular for spotting stuff without pointing your gun at things.
I like to keep things simple and the red dot and magnifier does that for a general use gun. If its specifically something that fills an SPR, then something FFP with a good reticle is nice if you know how to use it. Coming from a precision rifle background I'm very familiar with that stuff. On an AR I could go either way though. A good BDC SFP reticle works too. The ACSS comes to mind as a good SFP reticle. I guess in the end it comes down to who is using it, what their skill level is, ect. If the person doesn't need to range estimate, doesn't know the guns dope to dial, and doesn't understand a lot of precision rifle concepts that a good FFP scope isn't a good option. I think a lot of people fall into that category and that's okay. There are great SFP BDC options that can be like easy mode once you read the instructions.
Would love to see a vs Kahles 1-6 with those scopes.
The sig tango with the hellfire reticle that usmc recently adopted is SWEEEET SON!
Sold my Vudu 1-6 and got the Credo Hx 1-6 with 556 bdc the red dot is daytime bright and 3 oz lighter than the Vudu with great glass and flat image…if you look around under $800. The 1-8 and 1-10 scopes seem better suited to a AR10 rifles or maybe the 6.5G and 6ARC since they can reach out farther than 556.
I think 2nd focal plane for the AR is the way to go I use to want a first focal plane so bad then I got one now I find myself using my 1-6 razor more than the 1-10 razor 🪒 on paper 1-10 same weight should be the way to go but for me it isn’t!🤯🔫💣
Neither, vortex razor lol. Not a fan of how busy the atacr reticle is or how dim the vudu is.
Great stuff. Your channel is criminally underrated.
vortex 1-10x is where its at. just got mine….. but the ATACR might be next!
How am I supposed to take Eric’s word for anything? He’s wrong handed!
Wonder how these compare to my Elcan Spectre DR? Obviously 8x v 4x is different, but otherwise?
I BET money "Somebody" asked "The Question"……Vudu 1-8 vs. Razor 1-10?? The price is similar.
What length SBR is the NF mounted on??
Excellent video, fellas
Lefty power! SALUTE!
Love seein’ KB on WMC
You can see when 3 friends come together by how much they laugh when close to each other. Congratulations! Great video!
I also love the Vudu 1-8 . Exceptionally clear and has an excellent 1 power . Definitely up there in quality even compared to 2k+ luepold. The atacr is perfect for an AR10 or Creedmoor , but doesn’t offer much practically on a ar15 in terms of shots you’d actually try to take in any scenario using 556. Great review
One is made by respectable company.
Been waiting for some shoot around stuff with ole kitbadger
Only 2 minutes in and I'm laughing and smiling already! Good group of guys having some fun, good stuff!
Kit badger doesn't blink or breath
@9:35 LoL Grand Master KB
If I remember correctly the vudu isn’t American made
Would you trust the INVRT AR mag pouch used 100% upside down on a plate carrier WITHOUT bungee retention?
Red dot. LVPO’s are just a symptom of being bored with a known quantity (red dots) and better scope manufacturing. For AR’s though, they’re not worth the trade offs of weight, cost, and capability.
Great vid Gents.
Haha IVAN 🤣🤣
I STAND WITH Q!
MY PISTOL CANT BREATH!
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