
Henry and Josh of @9HoleReviews talk about the history and development of AR optic height and what they feel is the best optic height for a battle-ready AR.
00:00 – Intro: 1989 Delta Carbine and 2024 Hype Beast
02:00 – Colt M4A1 Block 1 and Block 2
02:30 – Co-Witness Height Explained
03:34 – Delta and the Aimpoint
04:07 – M16A2 Era
05:03 – Black Hawk Down
05:33 – Gooseneck and sight heigh workarounds
06:23 – M4 / M16A4 Configuration
10:47 – Height Over Bore Complications
16:20 – Lower 1/3rd
17:20 – 1.93″ for LPVOs and Red Dots
19:33 – Precision Shooting Height Over Bore
20:25 – Cheek Weld or No Cheek Weld?
21:26 – Optics with Spacers
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Here's what you wanted condensed…
Short: 1.57" – Long range precision shooting
Medium: 1.93" – Tall enough to be comfortable and effective for most situations
Tall: 2.26" – CQB where the operator will be wearing helmet mounted NV and/or thermal
Summary:
Start with 1.93" and adjust up or down based on your needs.
All I know is a lower 1/3rd cowitness with a Aimpoint Comp M2/3/4 types red dot gives me the advantages of the 1.93” height mounts and the better accuracy of absolute cowitness mounts. All I’ve ever seen happen with the 1.93” height and higher mounts was accuracy go down noticeably at ranges past room distance while being slightly faster at room distance over an absolute cowitness in anything other than slow fire.
1.93 or 1.70 are best of both worlds. Ballistic calculator can tell you what is the best zero for you and the ranges you shoot with your hob.
really need ears on when talking " loud" for no reason. ….goofballs!
I am scoping my AR-10 – .308, 18", but your information here is helpful. Thanks
3:25 “Boom, PING”
Very useful video. As an older shooter, craning one's neck down to reach the sights makes shooting the AR not as fun as it should be. Nor is it comfortable to drive the bottom corner of the butt into the top of one's shoulder. I plan to lift my optic, maybe even >2". Or maybe I'll store my AR and go back to shooting fudd rifles, which honestly are what feel natural and good. I'm not even a senior citizen yet.
18:08….your poor light. Put the can back on that thing.
Sun and Shadow makes various cheek riser heights. My pref is lower 1/3 and a half inch sopmod cheek riser on a magpul STR. Best compromise of all worlds. To raise the dot without raising the cheek weld is the source of the problem
Great video. I learned more than expected! What grip is on that 2024 Hype Beast? Looks comfy.
2.26 because nods.
Okay very nice video. I'm get a 2.26 at least till I saw this video. It's in the mail now TOO LATE. I'm going to try it out then set my favorite zero witch is the 36-300 Battle zero 😊 and go from there. I thought I was doing the right thing but now seeing your video I'm starting backwards and going the direction 🥴 but that's okay it might work out all okay I'm not a long-range shooter which I used to be when I was younger and in the military I'm more mid-range now that I'm a old man 100 200 yards so if this 2.26 riser off 3-4" off ,@ 100-200 I'm all good to keep my posture and not chicken necking or turtling what you call it I'm all good with me and my comms. Again thank you very much it was a great video learning a lot 2A 🇺🇸.
Been searching for hours to figure out the right height for me. I need the advantages of both high mount and low mount. I’ve finally figured out that the only reasonable solution is to build a second AR to accommodate.
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Could someone explain why this couldn't be fixed by some stock/buffer tube that allows for a lower cheek weld? That allows for flatter zeros and more natural cheek welds.
Just got a .5 riser. Not sure if I'll stick with it till I put in the range time, though it seems to be the best for me so far based on immediate testing.
But I'm glad y'all mentioned the body type/ structure of each individual cause that's exactly what I figured had to be a considering factor & why I started looking into the riser.
One thing never mentioned is corrective lenses and head position. Contact lenses and glasses both make the shooter suffer with the head down (basically looking up) position. Contact lenses become constricted and shift, and the top and corners of glasses in higher prescriptions have terrible parallax. For my prescription, a 1.9ish mount works best with contact lenses and glasses.
Did this nigga just dechamber a round "WHILE STILL HOLDING SAID RIFLE" just retain the round in hand, reach down WITH SAID HAND, and reload it into the mag on the table….. this mofo is a FUCKIN G! 😂😂😂😂 HTOWN BABY! 😂😂😂😂😂
Delta34 has an AMAZING video on "height over bore" 👌😎👍
Optic risers and c-clamping make shooting a hobby I'm ashamed to be a part of
I wish my neck was still 20 years old and not trash. Until that happens 1.93 it is.
I think for the average citizen, as in a SHTF rifle, an absolute co witness is just more advantageous. We aren’t cleaning rooms we aren’t getting in long drawn out gunfights and it makes things alot easier as far as not having to think as much about offset close range. Another advantage especially if you just run a red dot is an absolute allows you an easier way to zero the red dot, as long as you match the red dot to the iron sights once they are zeroed you will be pretty close and in a hypothetical world with no batter resupply or ammo resupply that seems like a good trade off. A question does arise with a co witness, and that’s whether to run a FSB or not with a co witness, because an absolute with a FSB will obstruct your optic and make it very busy. But having an iron sight literally be a part of the metal of the gun provides Almost a guarantee it won’t ever break off.
The top mounted RMR was designed to use the Bindon Aiming Concept where both eyes are always open, and for close engagement you roll the rifle to the side so the RMR is over your non-dominate eye to pick up the dot, then put the thing on the thing and press the thing. Most people, even military trained operators don't know how to use the top mounted RMR.
Long story short you should have higher mounted optics if it’s comfortable, you do a lot of cqb, and/or you do a lot of passive aiming in optics. Thank you for listening to my ted talk
Scope/LPVO in low mount, with piggyback RDS is the best. If it’s a dedicated RDS then give me a 2.26 so I have access to my backup irons
lmao opinions discarded 18:08
Are u guys talking with fake English accents 🤔
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Right now 1.5ish but going to 1.93
Lower optic height is preferable for long range shooting, regardless of the type of rifle. Perhaps more importantly, we need lower butt pads. Most slightly more thoughtful shooters, even recreational shooters, are well aware of this fact a good 50 years ago as soon as good quality optics became available.
1.5-1.7 Lpvo 1.93-2.26 red dot
There’s a reason you don’t see the best shooters in the world mounting their rifle dots way up high lol.
I feel like they’ve taken a very simple subject that could’ve been explained in about a minute and made it so complicated. This is not hard to figure out guys the higher up your optic is the more adjustments will be needed
RDS piggyback on a 1" height MPVO. Keeps the 1x close to Unity height so your postures upright, and you can still easily tuck in to run your scope. You're welcome.