6 ARC MAX SPEED Test | Bolt Action vs AR-15

Having done this ladder test myself a while back, the hornady brass won’t last at all. Pushing close to max or above 1-3 reloads on brass is all you’ll get, better brass would work great

I thought it was common Knowledge, that 'The Action Cycling' looses some FPS. You Have the "Extra 'Volume of Barrel' Equal to, about the Length of the Action Cycle itself, that gets subtracted from the force that would otherwise be added to barrel pressure." So you basically have to Subtract those couple Inches of Gas Expansion, since the Shell is being forced Backwards when the Gas is Trying to Push the Projectile down the Barrel. So a 22" AR Should act something like a 20" Bolt. Its Not Perfect explanation in terms of 'Numbers' but the Numbers you got show about that Ratio.

Great video sir.

Interesting comparison. I imagine the relationship to gas / bolt and velocity is common across most cartridges.

Compare 6ARC and 6BR

Hopefully we can run these hot (and hotter) pressures in the new medium frame guns that companies like surefire are making specifically for this cartridge.

108s running a faster burning powder that is not as sensitive to barrel length?? Just spitballing…

Great video

Do you think a savage axis 2 xp pro in 6 arc would be a good buy?

meh, the chamber was designed and set to saami specs well before they released bolt gun vs gas gun reloading data. i load to max bolt gun specs in my ar with no issues, like 75 gn amax at 3300 fps with lever. 105 gn bergers at 2900 fps with leverlution. do your own load development and biggest issues with gas guns is the bolt being out of time. gotta keep that bolt speed down.

Now wait till that nas3 steel casing drops for the 6arc… youll be getting hand load max bolt gun speed with standard 50k pressure

Bolt rifle is cool but the AR version is cooler.

You have an error in your data. Look at the 6:50 mark of this video. You verbally say that the 105 is at 2714, but look at the screen. That's the last shot. The average is 2741. You carried that error through all of the rest of the video and that shortchanges what that ammo did in the bolt gun. Your conclusions remain, but the difference is even more dramatic than you said.

I have a Uintah Precision UPR-15 in 6ARC with a 22 inch barrel. This gun is capable of sub .25 minute grouos with a better shooter. With me its sub .8 minute. I am just starting to reload and cant wait to work up some loads for a bolt action. It's already ridiculously easy to shoot out to 700yds.

Great video and interesting facts

"Taken the market by storm" i seem to remember a lot of AR cartridges that took off and are now gone. Might want to give it 5-10 years.

Love the Wade shoutout! Spent more than a few hours listening to TPH Podcasts. If I didn’t already have a 6 Creed in a bolt gun, I’d get a 6 ARC. Maybe one day!

I have both, my results pretty much same. Pressure ceiling way lower in the 6 arc gas gun

Awesome video. Another angle I took into consideration when I decided to build an ultra light 22 arc bolt gun was to compare the arc cartridges to their creedmoor counterparts. I want to shoot the 80g eldx/eldm for sheep, black bear, caribou, and deer in Alaska. Max handload data for 22 arc shows 3100 fps with the 80g eldx with 30.9g of CFE 223. 22 cm gets 3350 with 40.1g of Stabal 6.5 (there are faster velocities with other powders but none of them are readily available). Both data sets were with a 24" barrel, I'm doing 20" so I took 100 fps off to run the numbers. Impact velocity is the factor I care about using the eldx. 22 arc with that load hits 1800 fps at about 670 yards. The creedmoor stretches the distance to 790 at 1800 fps. I don't plan on shooting more than 600 ever at game, and will most likely be under 400 mostly. So advantage 22 arc for barrel life, recoil (I know 22 cm would be light but in a 6lb gun I'll take any reduction), use of more widely available small primers, and I just think it'll be cool. Or maybe I'm dumb, but can't wait to get it built.

I don’t always give people potentially catastrophic information but when I do. Come on my man do better.

Lol extra velocity isn't worth massive loss in firerate thereby loss in generalities purpose of the rifle beyond just hunting.

When you said you you used Hornady load data. Did you use AR or bolt action load data. Very nice video sir.

6 max is a better cartridge

I’ve heard that Geissele, at the request from SOF, is working on an AR style carbine designed from the ground up for the 6 ARC. Slightly bigger frame, bolt and magazine than a mil-spec AR-15. If true, this could replace the ridiculous XM-7 program.

Like to see a similar video in 22 ARC

I wish you would’ve used alpha brass. I bet those pressure signs would have went away

"Taking the market by storm", huh? I just went on Ammoseek and looked Hornady, HSM and Fort Scott are the only 3 companies loading factory ammo for the 6mmARC, mostly just Hornady though, right? I'm guess HSM and Fort Scott aren't the ones sponsoring this video. Good guess or what? More companies load factory ammo for 6.5 Grendel and 6.8 Western than load 6mmARC, so lets just stop.

I love my lightweight 6ARC Howa Mini 20” bolt gun. Light, compact, accurate, no recoil. I cannot get 243 velocities, but I can get close enough to make it a great deer rifle.

105 factory load in the bolt action was actually 2741 not 2714. 2714 was the min not avg. That makes the spread from ar to bolt gun huge for some reason. Would be interested in seeing max handloads through the ar using the ar/52k max pressure load data compared to factory ammo.

Get some alpha brass and probably be able to squeeze a little more out of it

.243 win 108 eld 3000fps easy all

I may have missed it but the max published data you were using was the bolt gun data correct?

Do 6 dasher next!!!! I love my dasher

I dig your videos. It’s like if Sean Astin was a precision rifle enthusiast. I mean that in the nicest way possible lol

So what your saying without saying it. "Gas guns are Gay 😂". Now I just may build a 30" 6arc to push it to the limit. It's crazy I'm pushing a 110 smk @ 3175 out of a 240 Weatherby. That 6arc is crazy for the size. Great video brother 👍.

I shoot 2 handloads of 6 ARC-

I have a 18” SPR and a 20” Howa mini.

My loads are-
Sierra MK 107, 28gr of H4895
SPR: 2750(7fps deviation)
Howa: 2800(2fps devation)

ELD-X 90, 29.5gr Leverevolution
SPR: 2820(12fps deviation)
Howa: 2900(3fps deviation)

~75-80 degrees when tested.

I know theyre overpressured in the SPR by quite a bit, but its a very chunky barrel that tappers down. Ive shot about 200 rounds of each type through each gun, control groups for consistency were only 20rds a piece. Havent had anything crazy happen.

The SPR uses a superlative piston kit as well, and a cat/noah can.

Fuck ya bro 6ARC ❤ the Lawd's cartridge!

Great video

Wasnt originally the whole point of 6 arc was to fit in an ar 15?

I just want to point out a 20-in 243 with 115 detac will do 2950

I'm saving all my 22ARC bright. to load in my ruger american. I'm content shooting the 75gr. Black ammo in my ar15, which absolutely hammers in my rifles. The ar15 has become my daytime rifle. I'm excited to load the 62s in my bolt action to 61,500psi😉 for a night time rig.

Will you at least share what powder you used in the handloads? Awesome stuff as always keep em coming.

I run staball in everything hd for 30 cal big boy stuff match for 6gt PRs setup 6 arc 308 and staball 6.5 for nitch stuff but staball match for the win id bet it against varget.

33.6 grns staball match 108eldm out of my 16 smith axe hitting 2700 fps. With room to go

Is ARC used in PRS Matches ?

The reading on your Chrono was was 2741 not 2714.

Looks like the 105's in the 20" was 2741. Nice looking bolt action