Would AR-15s be useful in Ukraine?

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Civilian AR-15s typically have a longer barrel "twist rate" which is the length it takes the rifling in the barrel to spin the bullet one rotation. Typically this is a 1 in 9 twist that is designed for lighter target and varmint ammunition.

Military grade M4 rifles, which are used by the U.S. Army, have a shorter twist rates to stabilize armor-piercing ammunition.

Ukraine does not need small arms at this time. Sending AR-15s to Ukraine would create a logistical headache because the their standard rifle, the AK-74 uses a different kind of ammunition.

This would result in no appreciable advantage and would take precious logistical space away from equipment and weapons that are needed.

References:

Evolution of the M855A1 Enhanced Performance Round

https://www.army.mil/article/48657/evolution_of_the_m855a1_enhanced_performance_round

M&P Sport

https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/mp-15-sport-ii

1:7 is the standard twist rate now days…. You have to hunt for an AR-15 with a 1:9

I mean… They don't have to take the guns of the law abiding citizens, but they could send to Ukraine the guns that are seized from criminals.

no ar15 is not a weapon of war it is a sporting rifle..they can be modified to be automatic but why bother?

So what George is saying is that a civilian population needs military grade weapons to fight a tyrannical government? 🤔 interesting point george.

My Sig m400 has a 1/7 twist. So you're not even close on that one.
And yes… I have the civilian model.
And civilian rifles can be modified easily to fire in full auto.

No .. I'm ot telling you how to do it.

So um. Just a few problems here, guy that sounds like he knows a lot but the more i watch the more i find out he hasnt got a clue.

First, they dont train you to shoot full auto. It was an issue in vietnam where troopers were just fanning off into the woods at nothing. They do single rounds or small burst. Control your fire, conserve your ammo… hit your target. Semi auto is only less effective than full auto fire at one thing… supression. Congratulations! You just earned a badge! You discovered LMGs~

Second: I do not know of a single 5.56 round that is qualified as an AP around. I dont think they exist. The biggest bonus the 7.62×39 round had over the 5.56 was that it had much more penetration power. Theres a massive difference between weights on a .224 and a .30. The M855 ammo is 62 grain. It is not AP, its just semi steal core and a bit heavier than a lot of civi ammo that is usually somewhere around 55.

Second, part two: So, the reason for the 1:7 twist is because the 62grain M855 ball and the tracer rounds they fire are stabilized a bit better at longer ranges with a higher twist rate. It doesnt have anything to do with AP rounds, because there are none… Also, the standard barrel length for the Military M4 is shorter than that of the standard AR-15, including the Bushmaster M4s, a near direct civilian version.

So you see… there is virtually no difference between the two when it comes to ballistics. AR-15 is capable of pink misting you at 300 yards. The select fire M4 is capable of pink misting you at 300 yards. Much past that and you get into the "Is this really a plausible debate" territory… as 500 yards is better left to the DMRs. And for that… 30 year old Bubba with his Savage 110 is going to likely do just as good, or better, than the 18 year old that got his marksman badge and opted to carry a Mod0.

Again, the more i see of this guy while surfing through the shorts here… the more i think hes super high on the Mount Stupid curve that David Dunning and Justin Kruger spoke about.

Every penny, weapon, bullet, every rocket, every vest, every bit of aid ukraine and every other country gets is already coming from every single american citizen we are all already sacrificing a lot every day for others. And in order to continue being able to do that we need to protect two of the most important things we have, our freedom and libirty, so no we should not give the guns we use to protect those two things to anyone and anyone who takes charity from us should not want us to if they want us to continue to be able to give that charity to them.

Oh. My. Just no

Imagine not knowing that civillian AR's come in all sorts of barrel twist rates. Also. Most firefights are conducted in semi automatic mode. Also. The civilliqn rifles are also a lot nicer.

I love how the left never knows shit about guns and is allowed to make laws on guns. (I'm not a right wing guy, I'm in the middle, but dont touch our guns)

Umm you do knkw you can get diffrent twist rates right

Nope my AR-15 rate is 1 in 7

Its easy to make a AR15 full auto

How about just don't do that lol. America needs to stop giving away everything like candy. We have our own problems to deal with.

Rockets are a lot more expensive. Lol

Yeah, Ukrainians would need them for the same reason Americans do… fighting tyranny, both foreign and domestic. That's why Americans need AR-15s. Hell, Americans should have 240s and Abrams too. A government afraid of its people is a government in check. Take notes Europe, maybe you wouldn't have to rely on the American military industrial complex if you would make your citizens scarier than your governments.

3 combat infantry tours in the Marines and let's just say the AR-15/M16 is a joke.

Ak is still the battlefield ace.

I was a weapons mechanic in the military and never understand why civilians get a hard on when they see military grade trust it really doesn’t mean much

During the Falklands war, British were using semi auto FN FAL and the Argentinian Army was using Full auto FN FAL.

Here’s the thing. It just wouldn’t matter. It would make a minuscule difference as long as Ukrainians still had HMGs and LMGs to supplement.

20 million 😂 I’m sure it’s a lot more than that!

Actually a lot of civilian AR-15s did get sent over and a bunch of different civilian rifles and pistols got sent over from people that donated and gun stores that donated and when it comes to AR-15s and things of that nature you can get different twists rate it depends on what you want in certain ones

Dude talking as if the gun doesn’t kill still lmfao

What are you talking about? AR-15s are being used in Ukraine right now. There are many different units fighting, some use AR-15 variants shooting 5.56. Also, ARs come with many different twist rates and calibers

Who cares about them being fully automatic, i never used anything other than semi auto in all of my years of service. And twist rate is not about armor piercing or target ammo. Its about stability of lighter or heavier bullet weights. So unless you're firing heavy tracers, thats another non issue. Not to mention, civilian AR's routinely come in 1/7 as well, even with FN barrels that are the same as the military uses.

How dare you suggest it's not a machine gun. CNN told me it is one.

The biggest problem is that Ukraine doesn't have much 5.56 ammo.

The thing about twist rate. 1:9 is perfectly adequate. The older US M-16s used a 1:14 twist rate for the 55 grain ammo and when they moved to the 62 grain ammo they changed it to 1:7. 1:9 is supposed to be an in between "best of both worlds" kind of deal.

So yeah, standardization of ammo and weapons is the big reason we arent giving Ukraine a bunch of AR-15s.

I know someone who works at the largest Cabela’s on Earth in Dundee, Michigan. During the first 12 months of the war, groups of Ukranian and Polish men would come in and max out credit cards buying supplies, ammunition and yes, regular civilian AR-15s (plenty of which come with 1:7 barrel twist) and ship them to Poland. Any gun is better than no gun. 🤷🏼‍♂️

George Takei, the first name in military gear and tactics…

I feel like the standard bullet twist rate for AR-15 barrels is 1:7. Mines 1:7.

Yes, lets trust this guy… he looks like a guy with lots of first hand military warfare.

you can get a 1/7 twist in a civilian AR, I have one

Heya they have sent illegal weapons the police have been able to seize but those guns would just be kept for training or malitia units

Right and wrong.
The twist rate will stabilize different weights ammo.
I have 1:8, thats like 45gr to 90gr

Most civilian AR15’s are 1-7 or 1-8, cheap guns like the Smith and Wesson AR-15 don’t represent most civilian AR’s. Please educate yourself before making these videos.