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In this video we overview the difference between first focal plane and a second focal plane rifle scopes. Then we demonstrate their capabilities both on paper and steel. For this video we will be using the Nikon Monarch 3 both in first and second focal plane. I apologize to everyone who came to this box for information. We used to have beautifully written description boxes full of links, attributions, discounts, ect. Through the political unraveling of YouTube much damage has been done to the information contained in this box through bulk actions. Please consider contacting us directly if info is missing. This includes music attributions. We have always worked to make it transparent who’s work we are using to enhance ours. Unfortunately much of this data was lost. If you find your work integrated into one of our videos without attribution, please send me an email and I will add it back immediately .
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During your xplaing the on paper, well let's just say your //clear as mud//explanation got me confused and I left you program. I'll check back, when you appear to be better/more comfortable with your source materials…!!
Which stock from those rifles would you take and why
Just flat wrong man lol
No shift of impact with sfp scope when the mag is changed total bullshit if it does buy a decent scope and try keep of the horizon
You truly are impressive…you shoot off an ammo can without even a glove to soften the recoil impulse to demonstrate accuracy ?.! If you really want to show case your knowledge…get professional.
Then, you shoot from prone up at steel targets ON THE HORIZON i.e. no backstop. Come on guys you really aren't that thick are you?
@ 3:20 no eye protection, as you say because the chance of anything coming back off paper targets is low…DS the real danger is a pierced primer or ruptured case in your face !!
What is the equation you are using to determine 2nd focal plane deviations?
I prefer to works with my turrets,i dont like the scope with the rounds.
I prefer the sfp because it,s more realist,i have a first and second focal on different scope,buying you like,it,s your choice.For me the ffp is not better.
Damn people tore you guys apart in these comments
Meh. Could have been a better video.
That’s bunk I own both there is no shift on point of impact you need to work on your shooting fundamentals
The first video I saw of this guy I was thinking, who the F is this buffoon. He's is the kinda guy who is going to get someone killed. He's dangerous because he doesn't know, that he doesn't know,,,,that makes him dangerous to all who think they're learning something.
The point of impact does not change on either first or 2nd focal plane scopes. To test this you put your mounted scope in a gun vise and lock it on a bullseye. Run the power from min to max power, while doing this the cross hairs should not move at all off the bull. Now on very cheap scopes it can move which means it can only be trusted on one power setting. I had a scope that at 12 x it was dead on but when zooming out to 4x the cross hairs moved up about 2 inches. The main difference is that your milldots are the same on all powers with a FFP scope. On a second focal plane scope the milldots are usually set for 12x to be 3.6" at 100 yards. If you zoom to 24x then your milldots will no longer be 3.6" but half of that. On a FPP scope no matter what the magnification the milldots are always 3.6" tall at 100 yards. I would say the reticle remains finer on a 2nd focal plane scope. One is not really better than the other, they are just different. I can use either with equal effectiveness.
Is a 6.5 creedmoor a good long range caliber
That's not the only reason to wear eye protection, but you got two…..
Im pretty sure that the zero wouldnt shift from actual center in 2nd focal plane. It is the mil dot holdover/under that is not consistant as you adjust magnification.
learn something before you do a video on it , with a SFP you have to experiment to find out which magnification setting hits your desired range and them memorize it or write it somewhere . IMO this is another additional step in learning which makes second focal planes burdensome ( especially since every scope is different and new calculations will have to be learned)
The math for a second plane reticle is not hard – take current power and divide it by the max power and multiply it by the mil dot hold over that is needed… for example you need to have a 5 mil hold over and your scope is a 6 x 24 and you have it on 7 power – so 7 divided by 24 equals 0.2916 multiplied by the 5 mil and your new mil is 1.45 mil hold over..
The advantage of second focal plane scope is shooting small targets at greater distances where the reticle will remain thin lined for more precise sighting… To compensate for different power you need only to use a different mil-dot.. you can manually chart it out or you can get an app for your smart phone that will do it for you.. The only advantage of first focal plane is in fast changing environments where you need not change mil-dot and faster determination of distance using the ranging features… but first focal plane scopes will suffer at longer distances shooting smaller targets because the reticles are large and not as precise… If you are a target shooter then you probably want to stay with a second focal plane or in a hunting situation preset for most frequent distance.. In a military situation you may want to go with first focal plane where you do not have to worry about power settings so much, in terms of which mil-dot to use vs magnification… for example if your a 3 mil hold over then no matter what power your scope is you will still use the 3 mil.. where as with a second focal plane if your hold over is at 3 mill (this is calculated at the highest power) and your scope is at 1/2 power… then this would be a 1.5 mil hold over, when at 1/2 the full power… if you are at 1/3 of full power then your 3 mil hold over is 3 divided by 3 or 1 mil instead of 3… etc etc etc… Most people can do the math in their heads or pre-math it and have a little cheat sheet to reference… Most times you would bring the magnifications down as the rage gets closer which also mean that any change in mil hold over is less critical.. When all else fails then there is always Kentucky windage.. lol (wing it)… and take multiple shots… hahaha
i notice you have quite unusual trigger hand position on the rifle grip – this puts your trigger finger rather low on the trigger itself. it could cause a lot of low shots, because your trigger finger is not applying pressure to the centre of the trigger, where the least "effect" will be created on trigger action.
no matter what focul plane the center of the cross hair will not change the effects are only on the mil-dots usually you use a scope in 2nd focal plane on 10x when using the mil dots on a 1st fp the mil dots will line up correctly no matter what magnification is used
Dude, those are some ugly pants!
Good video brother.
Perhaps the worst laid out explanation of SFP vs FFP I've seen. I see no reason why this could not be done (1) at a range that will actually demonstrate the difference 200+ yards, (2) with a proper rest (front and rear) to eliminate shooter error and (3) on a proper target. It's funny to me how gun channels are just repeating the exact same topics. Funny how you pimp daddy those POS scope caps- YOU'VE GOT TO BE FREAKING KIDDING ME.
Thanks really good video. Almost made the biggest mistake of my life. Canceled the FSP scope order and did go for the FFP instead. you really made my day man 🙂
I'm confused. With a 2nd FFP if you dial down the mag and are still using your center crosshairs as your aiming point you should still be right on. A 2nd should only be off when using your sub tensions at different magnification
You guys need a Caldwell Leadsled
all I came away with from this video is you are unable to hold your own rifle and you don't move around to good because you are a fat body. Glad I was using starbucks wifi and not my phone data.
What was the music please?
You have never been a teacher I see; you get so tongue-tied with terminology that I you lose sight of your goal : to EXPLAIN the difference in first and second focal plane. I am sure there is someone out there who knows how to CLARIFY the difference. Best done with graphics. Looks like you want to look knowledgeable to your peers while you do nothing for those of us looking for a COMPETENT explanation.
seems more like a shooter aiming precision issue with sfp rather than a scope issue.
old news !
your zero should not change with sff unless the scope drifts its zero when you change power
So basically, with sff, zeroing at max magnification, the further you zoom out away from max, the more vertical deviation you'll have.
Why am I watching this channel?
Definitely by far one of the better videos I've seen explaining the differences between the two, great video!!!
what diameter barrels is on that thing. I'm building my wife a rifle like that but was unsure on barrel diameter until I seen that one that's it with the big break on it. thanks
Camera work around 9 minutes was badass
GASP, you've gone AMISH?!?!?!?!?
to avoid this poit of impact shit from 100-300 yards couln't one zero the rifle for say 300 at full maginfication(4 or 6)? Then at something like 50-100 yards the higher impact point due to the angle of the bore in relation to barrel would sort of compensate for the deviation?
you can't tell which groups or what!!!!
makes no sense shooting the same point impact for max magnification and 0 magnification.
Are you starting a Jeff Quinn beard?
About 12:00 in, Severe weather or volunteer fire department?
I'm digging that jacket!!! Looks sweet
7:00 and on : what the darn hell are you on about, if you hold the center of the scope it is alway s the center, no matter if first or second focal plane at whatever magnification. there is no shift, it is only you shitty shooting!!!! man get your facts straight. the only thing that changes in a second focal plane scope is the relation of target size to reticle, which stay the same in the ffp scope. But this ONLY means that you can't do range estimation and can't estimate a hold over (e.g. for wind compensation) if you are not on full magnification!!!! But seriously that is all there is. if you scope has a zero shift while zooming, it is broken or crappy, because this is not supposed to happen!!!
Wayyy cooler video than I thought it was going to be lol. Good job guys.
dude the drone is really cool it adds such a cool element to your filming and videos!
Whats the sling on that SPR? Great vid.
meant to say cool toy. Damn spell check lol.